Listener-Blue

poorpoorpitifulme:

I feel like a lot of people, particularly here among the anti-feminist community, often misinterpret what people mean when they say “women deserve respect”. Yes, “respect” in one sense is definitely something that has to be earned, but like many words, “respect” has more than one meaning. It can mean “to admire someone and give value to their opinions” but it can also jus mean “to treat someone with common courtesy”.

When people say “you should respect women” (for example), they (usually) don’t mean “you should automatically admire every woman you meet and instantly trust everything she says”, rather they simply mean “you should treat women with the same level of basic politeness you’d extend to anyone else and you shouldn’t automatically dismiss or think less of them simply because of their gender”. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t actually think that’s so unreasonable.

feduptoinfinity:

listener-blue:

feduptoinfinity:

lejacquelope:

repstar3:

lejacquelope:

judal-is-my-spirit-animal:

magicallymisanthropic:

misogyny-mermaid:

Tom Hiddleston, you are now Tom Hiddlefuck to me after you supported Emma’s misandristic speech.

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Why didn’t I see the white knight feminazi in you sooner?

HOW are the last two misandristic? This seriously makes no sense whatsoever.

"Tom Hiddleston is a man-hater!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!111!" Go cry me a river. A man who respects women is not automatically a misandrist. Not all men who care about women or women’s rights are evil man-haters. 

It’s the assumption that women are owed respect just for being female.

Respect isn’t owed; it’s earned.

Well… maybe respect is indeed earned but don’t people you don’t know also deserve respect? and since you don’t know them they couldn’t have earned it yet. So maybe respect is the default and the only thing that can be done is lose it by not respecting someone back… So basically: “Respect everyone until they have done something to lose your respect”

"I used to dream of rescuing a girl I had a crush on from a playground bully"

No woman ever dreams of rescuing a guy ever. If he couldn’t handle his own shit she’d lose ALL respect for him.

But when it comes to women, we gotta rescue them.

Uh, I’m nobody’s slave, I say no to such one-sided obligations.

So something he says about himself means he thinks all guys should dream of rescuing girls? He just spoke about a dream he had. He never said “All guys should rescue women” only that he once dreamed of rescuing his crush when he was a kid. 

And as a girl, I did dream of rescuing guys. I’m dating a guy who needed rescuing as much as I needed it before I met him. Him being weak doesn’t mean he can’t handle shit, it means he needs help. Why would I run from someone for something I myself went through? That’d be stupid.

So he’s been duped into following along with a campaign that has used language as to suggest it’ll care for boys as much as girls. Can you really call him a misandrist for that? That sounds more like he’s wanting to help everyone to me. Besides, anytime a celebrity doesn’t follow along with these kinds of campaigns, they’re attacked. It doesn’t matter how much they try to explain why, they’ll still be ignored.

I honestly think OP and you really need to take into consideration the reasons someone would think Heforshe is a good idea.

All of this.

And I am incredibly confused as to how Emma Watson’s speech itself is being considered ‘misandristic’. Misleading, yes.. she talks about men’s issues and almost convinces us that the campaign is going to help men whereas really it’s all about getting men to help women. But is that misandristic? Really? Does she say men don’t need help, does she say men don’t deserve help? Maybe she is going about things in the wrong way, but that in itself doesn’t make her a misandrist.

I have my issues with HeforShe, namely the way it was portrayed to us in the speech versus the reality. I am disappointed, more than anything, that we were sold the idea that this was the time for gender equality to be inclusive of men, whereas this is not the aim of the campaign at all. But I did think Emma Watson spoke with sincerity when she spoke about men’s issues, I didn’t see any misandry in her speech at all, and it baffles me that people are trying to turn it into that.

Are we really going to mirror the often used feminist tactic of turning everything they don’t agree with into misogyny? Are we really going to start trying to turn everything feminists do and say into misandry?

Those are my exact problems with Heforshe too. Another problem I have with Emma is she previously says she won’t date men who are too shy and then she says “if men didn’t have to be aggressive, women wouldn’t have to be submissive.” Which is it, Emma? Do you want guys to step out of the role of being aggressive, or do you want them to be aggressive? It’s just…it feels like she was speaking from her heart more than her brain and that she forgot what she had previously said. 

Yeah I think you’re right - I think her heart is ruling her head in many ways. It was a very personal speech - I imagine that was the intention - but there was a little bit of naivete in it as well. But it occurs to me that she has probably taken on the feminist rhetoric without ever having questioned it.

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feduptoinfinity:

lejacquelope:

repstar3:

lejacquelope:

judal-is-my-spirit-animal:

magicallymisanthropic:

misogyny-mermaid:

Tom Hiddleston, you are now Tom Hiddlefuck to me after you supported Emma’s misandristic speech.

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Why didn’t I see the white knight feminazi in you sooner?

HOW are the last two misandristic? This seriously makes no sense whatsoever.

"Tom Hiddleston is a man-hater!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!111!" Go cry me a river. A man who respects women is not automatically a misandrist. Not all men who care about women or women’s rights are evil man-haters. 

It’s the assumption that women are owed respect just for being female.

Respect isn’t owed; it’s earned.

Well… maybe respect is indeed earned but don’t people you don’t know also deserve respect? and since you don’t know them they couldn’t have earned it yet. So maybe respect is the default and the only thing that can be done is lose it by not respecting someone back… So basically: “Respect everyone until they have done something to lose your respect”

"I used to dream of rescuing a girl I had a crush on from a playground bully"

No woman ever dreams of rescuing a guy ever. If he couldn’t handle his own shit she’d lose ALL respect for him.

But when it comes to women, we gotta rescue them.

Uh, I’m nobody’s slave, I say no to such one-sided obligations.

So something he says about himself means he thinks all guys should dream of rescuing girls? He just spoke about a dream he had. He never said “All guys should rescue women” only that he once dreamed of rescuing his crush when he was a kid. 

And as a girl, I did dream of rescuing guys. I’m dating a guy who needed rescuing as much as I needed it before I met him. Him being weak doesn’t mean he can’t handle shit, it means he needs help. Why would I run from someone for something I myself went through? That’d be stupid.

So he’s been duped into following along with a campaign that has used language as to suggest it’ll care for boys as much as girls. Can you really call him a misandrist for that? That sounds more like he’s wanting to help everyone to me. Besides, anytime a celebrity doesn’t follow along with these kinds of campaigns, they’re attacked. It doesn’t matter how much they try to explain why, they’ll still be ignored.

I honestly think OP and you really need to take into consideration the reasons someone would think Heforshe is a good idea.

All of this.

And I am incredibly confused as to how Emma Watson’s speech itself is being considered ‘misandristic’. Misleading, yes.. she talks about men’s issues and almost convinces us that the campaign is going to help men whereas really it’s all about getting men to help women. But is that misandristic? Really? Does she say men don’t need help, does she say men don’t deserve help? Maybe she is going about things in the wrong way, but that in itself doesn’t make her a misandrist.

I have my issues with HeforShe, namely the way it was portrayed to us in the speech versus the reality. I am disappointed, more than anything, that we were sold the idea that this was the time for gender equality to be inclusive of men, whereas this is not the aim of the campaign at all. But I did think Emma Watson spoke with sincerity when she spoke about men’s issues, I didn’t see any misandry in her speech at all, and it baffles me that people are trying to turn it into that.

Are we really going to mirror the often used feminist tactic of turning everything they don’t agree with into misogyny? Are we really going to start trying to turn everything feminists do and say into misandry?

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calleo:

virborassan:

knight-enchanter:

itsninjam:

tedmosbyisnotajerk:

if anyone ever asks me what tumblr is i’m gonna show them this video and just walk away

GOD ITS 5AM AND IM TRYING TO HOLD IN MY LAUGHTER FUCK

lmao

This is so accurate I wanna cry, oh god Tumblr WHY

This stays funny every time I see it.

I never knew I needed this.

gawfzilla:

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gawfzilla:

the one TRUE secret to a great sex life

Hold on. It was a no vote… does this mean my sex life is going to go downhill? :((((((((((((((

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shortonmoney-butlongontime:

afootballobserver:

Celtic 2-1 Rangers [Scottish Premier League] 16/04/2008
Shunsuke Nakamura 20’

i was in love with nakamura for so long

I hated him.
More of a Nacho Novo fan :P

shortonmoney-butlongontime:

afootballobserver:

Celtic 2-1 Rangers [Scottish Premier League] 16/04/2008

Shunsuke Nakamura 20’

i was in love with nakamura for so long

I hated him.

More of a Nacho Novo fan :P

fortyninerwizard:

It’s become a knee-jerk reaction for me to judge someone who calls themselves a feminist. I immediately tell myself to take everything they say with a grain of salt, and even when they reblog pro-men stuff I tell myself “just wait for the other shoe to drop, they’re a feminist after all.”

Usually I wouldn’t think this was a bad thing, but after reading some thought-provoking commentary on the subject, it made me realise that I was acting as close-minded as the people I’m supposedly against. 

This is a really long-winded way of saying I want to do more constructive criticising of feminism rather than attacking every and any aspect of it, but have no idea how to start such a conversation. A handful of critical feminists isn’t enough to spark change, and I’m not sure how to reach out to the feminists willing to listen.

It’s incredibly easy to have a knee jerk reaction. I still sometimes do it myself. I wouldn’t say I ‘judge’ them. But sometimes it’s almost like I’m waiting for the cliches to come out. I have had many civil and respectful conversations with feminists and just when I thought we could find common ground they accused me of having ‘internalised misogyny’ or being a ‘slave to the patriarchy’ or holding the opinions I do simply because I ‘want to please men’. It’s unbelievably frustrating when that happens, and it does lead me to almost expect it because it has happened so often.

But there are times when it doesn’t happen. There are times when we can find common ground, realise that we share the same goal but just look at it from a slightly different angle. Not all feminists are like that, and it’s actually amazing to find those who are not but who are also willing to criticise their own movement from within. And actually after encountering those sorts of feminists for the first time with people like bluesigma I found myself changing the way I wrote my posts. Just simple things like adding the word ‘some’ before the word feminists to acknowledge that those people exist and that not all feminists are bad feminists.

I suppose what you need to do is learn to know when to give up with some individuals. I know that sounds defeatist. But those feminists who are completely unwilling to take any criticism on board are simply not going to listen to you, they have their minds and their ears closed. Those are not the people you are going to reach. But what I think is important to remember is that while those people might not listen, others might hear or read your words and actually listen and take them on board. There are those who are on this site who are on the fence about feminism, or who have called themselves feminists because it is almost seen as the default status if you want to promote gender equality. If we offer them a coherent and rational argument displaying the flaws and negative side of feminism then they will be willing to listen. And if they still choose to call themselves feminists then that is fine. But my hope is that they will become those sorts of feminists that we all hope to find more of - the ones who truly believe in gender equality and are willing to work to change the movement from within.

You might not think a handful of critical feminists is not enough to spark a change, but it might be enough to find a few allies within the movement who share the same ideals as you and who simply choose a different label. And when you find those people that is when you will automatically stop having the knee-jerk reaction because in the back of your mind you will be thinking - maybe there are more of them out there.